Posts by Had Enough

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Who Will Cry For the Babies?

by Farkel in

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here's something i found on kent's site just now.

i wrote it december last.

i didn't know that he purloined it but then again, he purloins lots of stuff, and furthermore i don't save most of what i write.

Had Enough

That's a great summary Farkel of the mindset of the typical JW...so consumed by the 'pat' phrases and answers to these questions.

I too felt the "urge" to get baptised at 13 because of believing I was now "accountable" for myself and that "armageddon was just now at our doorstep" so I had to be baptised to survive. What kind of reasoning is that?!!! How can our "dedication" to doing God's will be acceptable to him if surviving was the motivation, at the direction of the WTS?

Dubs will not generally tell the truth when they are confronted with the question, “Do you believe that ONLY Jehovah’s Witnesses will be saved at Armageddon?” They always come up with some excuse like, “Well, that’s not for us to say. Only Jehovah can read hearts,” even though their literature says exactly the opposite. When a dub makes that excuse and are then further questioned with, “So does that mean you believe that some non-JWs will survive that battle?”, they reply with “Well, that’s not for us to say.” Typical doubletalk.

I do weep for the years I spent spewing that drivel because that was the "pat" answer we were told to give. Did we ever stop to really think about it? No...because "that's what the society says so it must be true".

I weep also for being typical at pushing those nasty pictures and thoughts about innocent babies and children being slaughtered at armageddon, out of my head.

I weep for the time wasted on being so stupid and narrow-minded and shallow as to think a God of love could wipe out the lives of millions just because they don't worship him exactly the way he wants to be worshipped. Why would God wipe out all those babies and their "accountable parents" who are conscientiously worshipping him they way they "think" is right and are good people, leading good lives?

I weep for the time I spent a typical JW, as "somebody" just said, "hardening their hearts" and "having no natural love and feeling" but replacing it with that "snotty attitude in defense"...a defense of the times my conscience was actually pricked by the pictures in the pubs. of destruction at armageddon of the earth opening up and people falling down the deep holes and buildings falling down on them, or of the flood where a mother is holding her crying baby at the top of a mountain with the water rising around them. How sick is that! But, typically, I just put it out of my mind.

And I weep for those still trapped in the mindset of this stupidity.

But I do weep tears of joy at now being able to reason on all of this nonsense and see things clearly and now feel the satisfaction of having answers that "make sense"...so that now I don't have to push an uncomfortable question into the back of my mind so it won't bother me.

Thanks for a well-put-together piece, Farkel

Had Enough

19

Englishman Unplugged.

by Englishman in

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a few posters have asked me questions re my background, so, here is a potted version of my 54 years as an earthling: .

i was born in bolton, greater manchester, in the north of england.. my father was an air-traffic controller and was transferred to london heathrow when i was quite young.

hed flown many missions on lancaster bombers during ww2.

Had Enough

Hi again Englishman:

We too saw the statue of liberty and went up to the top to look out over the city. That was quite an experience for this young girl from a small city. But to see it from the harbour on a ship like you...must have been an awesome sight.

We usually went to the overflow area at the Polo Grounds...I don't know why. We have pictures that the WTS provided, of the filled stadiums ...titled and dated and all that. Really something to see.

As for the ships chartered by the WTS and then going broke...that doesn't surprise me after reading the thread on the tight-fisted WTS's attitude with haggling over dollars when negotiating their "deals" for accomodations and such for assemblies. They expect that it's perfectly ethical to cause businesses to only break even or to even lose money, when JWs come for assemblies.

I'd like to email you my connections with the UK if I may, instead of posting them here....possible identification and all you know....still incognito.

Had Enough

76

I attended the meeting tonight.....

by silentlambs in

i went to the meeting tonight to check out things in the local congregation.

this spiritual paradise is showing a few cracks.

when i arrived about ten minutes before the meeting started, i felt like a ghost.

Had Enough

Hello DannyBear:

You say:

What motive could possibly move you to even want to attend another meeting?...Does your cause now revolve around Silentlambs as the real victim, or the children you want to protect?

I don't feel that Silentlambs deserves to be judged for attending the meetings. You asked "why he needs to rub their collective noses in it"?

For just that very reason...to rub their collective noses in the hypocrisy they are showing... the pampering of a molester while totally turning their backs on the victims...the children.

I don't see Silentlambs as portraying himself as the victim at all. He is "calling their hand" as it were and showing them up, exposing them, for the world to see. It is necessary for all to see how shallow, how low the WTS has sunk, to harbour deviants for the sake of their precious public image.

As for "burning tire rubber" in the parking lot? Should we deny him one little expression of righteous indignation at the garbage he just had to witness for 2 hours on top of all the other undf'ing crap they have dumped on him?

He's not crying "POOR ME"....he exposing them for what they are.

And if rubbing their noses in it can help some onloooker to feel humiliated at how Silentlambs is being treated for trying to protect these innocent children and for trying to vindicate the despicable treatment of the children from the elders and WTS for the loss of their precious childhood, then I say...go for it!!!

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76

I attended the meeting tonight.....

by silentlambs in

i went to the meeting tonight to check out things in the local congregation.

this spiritual paradise is showing a few cracks.

when i arrived about ten minutes before the meeting started, i felt like a ghost.

Had Enough

Hello silentlambs:

What a horrible thing to have to endure. I am dumbfounded! This org. that I loved so much has just sunk to a new low in my eyes.

How can they possibly carry on this way? I just can't understand how they justify their sweeping the molester under their wings and leaving the poor innocent victims and you, their protector, 'out in the cold' like that. And to go against the society's instructions of not letting him give talks or comment and are so fiercely protecting really is suspect. How they can ignore all the testimonies against him is beyond me. It really makes me wonder what more they are hiding.

I give you credit for sticking it out to the end of the meeting like that enduring the unspeakable unloving, cold treatment.

The only bright moment in your story was picturing the attendant following you around (to the bathroom?) and then you turning the tables on him and following him. Looks good on them! .

We, at least, are all behind you and will help in any way we can.

Had Enough (and shaking my head in disgust)

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Englishman Unplugged.

by Englishman in

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a few posters have asked me questions re my background, so, here is a potted version of my 54 years as an earthling: .

i was born in bolton, greater manchester, in the north of england.. my father was an air-traffic controller and was transferred to london heathrow when i was quite young.

hed flown many missions on lancaster bombers during ww2.

Had Enough

Well Englishman and Mulan:

This is just like old home week. I too was at Yankee Stadium in '58....just a little younger than you two though but I remember it well. And my roots are from England as well, although I haven't been over there to see where my parents were born. I'd sure love to go there and see the places they've described to me.

As for the Ezekiel studys...forget it! I haven't a clue what it all was supposed to mean.

I applaud you Englishman on your efforts and successes in helping others to see their way out of the borg. The df'ing stupidity has been a thorn in my side from day one and when it hit my family personally, that was the start of my losing my faith in this being the only "religion" worshipping God in the only acceptable way.

I'm so totally amazed each day, how many of us all have similar stories of what caused our foundations to crumble. But it has been the best thing I could have done finding this avenue of healing.

Glad you shared your story with us. I always enjoy your posts.

Had Enough

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I am stunned!!...CharitablePlanning

by sf in

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i feel like i did when i first read ray's book crisis of conscience"; like i was punched deep in the gut and can't catch my breath.. i took someones suggestion here to call the: .

charitable planning office.

watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania.

Had Enough

Hi there Scally!

I understand why you are so affected by this kind of tactics the WTS uses to further "their cause". Thanks for sharing that with us...it helps to see why you are so passionate about exposing the WTS.

This info puts a knot in my stomach but not because I have a similar experience to yours, but just because I think of all the people who scrimp and save to make ends meet and still feel obligated to "donate," "contribute" or leave their meagre belongings to the WTS in their wills, or even "loan" money to the WTS with the idea that they will eventually get it paid back when they need it.

These ones think they are doing such a service for God in helping to vindicate his name but its plain to see in the topic: "Governing Body Exposed" at
, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=6211&site=3
the extravagance the GB use the money for. Living and traveling like the ordinary r&f Joe Blow will never see, like luxury penthouses, Cadillacs etc. with money donated to "further the witness work".

I'd love to travel to Europe, stay in ritzy hotels, eat in posh restaurants, but I doubt I ever will. Even if I will ever be able to afford it, the point is, these men are supposed to have renounced wealth or living a wealthy lifestyle. And yet they live better than most people, and even if they don't have a huge bank account what would they need one for. Their every need, or should I say want, is looked after.

Hi somebody: regarding that info from the Awakes on children who have donated their pennies and dollars saved from allowances etc.... how sickening to print that for the obvious sole purpose of using it to motivate more people to "donate" whatever they can scrape together, and then to also say donations should be kept unnamed.

The more I find out here, the more sickened I am at how blind I was and how blind the remaining JWs are today. Without seeing the whole picture we are seeing, the average JW will probably just skip over these kind of points without realizing the full impact of them.

I thank you all everyday for all the hard work you people do at finding out these things. The more I read the more I know I will never let myself be blinded again.

Had Enough

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TO ALL LURKERS- IS THIS GOING TO FAR......

by JT in

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http://rancher.freeservers.com/catalog.html .

in protecting the org at all cost.

here is an example of what the wt mindset does to it's members esp the elders.

Had Enough

To outnfree:

You mentioned this letter and discussion was in a thread about 10 days ago.

Do you remember what the topic of the thread was and who started it?

Like JT, I'd like to go back and read the comments too, but I've just gone back through about 30 pages, and couldn't find a topic that sounded like it was about this letter or subject.

Can you, or anybody, help us out? Thanks!!!!

Had Enough

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TO ALL LURKERS- IS THIS GOING TO FAR......

by JT in

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http://rancher.freeservers.com/catalog.html .

in protecting the org at all cost.

here is an example of what the wt mindset does to it's members esp the elders.

Had Enough

JT:

Just how much further can they go? Each time I think I've heard the worst, something more comes out...like this....and the pedophile cases.

I know I join many others whose heads are just reeling over these findings. I'm absolutely stunned!

How can the elders sleep at night? How much longer can JWs keep hiding their heads in the sand or keep walking around with blinders on?

I realize most JWs don't know of these things but once they find out, I pray that they will take their blinders off, take their hands away from their ears and look at the FACTS.

Had Enough

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WTBS Made a Huge Mistake!

by patio34 in

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i was tempted to write the wtbs today.

i'm reading a loaned copy (from my younger sister, 'waiting') of ray franz's "in search of christian freedom.

" it is a masterful point-by-point refutation of the wts doctrine.

Had Enough

Hi all:

I have to say that reading Ray CofC book was the true turning point for me too!

I had to read it in spurts though as it would get me so upset and riled, I had to keep putting it down and pace or go do something else for awhile. Someone said yesterday (sf?) that finding these things out was like getting a blow to the stomach and not able to get your breath. This was what I, and many of you here too, had based my whole life on, had trusted with all my heart to be the only way to serve God and I was never going to grow old...HA!

Many times, people who have never been a JW, can't understand why we hang on here and don't just let go and forget about the WTS altogether.

If only they could feel what we feel. We were so convinced, so manipulated into absolutely believing all we were told about prophecies, the brotherly love, the preaching work being done, the growth proving God's direction and spirit, the insight into the scriptures, all identifying us as being the one blessed religion, and then the carrot of paradise on earth being dangled in front of us to spur us on to do more.

The GB was painted as this pure, holy, humble, servant of God dedicated to doing God's will in helping us poor lowly sheep. What an eye-opener finding out the details of the real "truth" about the dirty skeletons, the underhandedness, the "hide the truth so our image is squeeky-clean" manipulations.

YES....we have every right to be angry and "froth at the mouth", and feel hurt, disappointed, fearful for our JW relatives and friends. We want the truth to be known to all..the REAL TRUTH.

This control over peoples' lives has to stop. These books, and others like it, are a priceless weapon in destroying the pristine, pretty picture the WTS wants to paint of itself.

These books, along with all the info coming out on the web, and soon in the media, have got to have a domino effect on stirring many more into action...either of leaving or causing enough disruption to result in drastic changes being made.

I hope we see it in our lifetime. I feel so grateful to Ray in getting the ball rolling by exposing the truth to us. I know ones who have talked to Ray recently, and who also say he is such a kind, humble, unassuming, meek man who was duped like us, but has used his knowledge to help so many others break free of their chains.

Had Enough

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To Nikolau

by philo in

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i wanted to send you a word document, but your email does not seem to work.. philo

Had Enough

Hi nicolaou!!!

I have tears rolling down my cheeks...the neighbours think I've lost it! Those are absolutely hilarious...but the clown picture is to die for!!!

I wish their was a smilie that would express a belly laugh because that's what that post causes.

Had Enough